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Austin Weisgrau's avatar

Amazing write up, so glad you are in this world and have done all you've done.

Admittedly I'm not a casual MBSR practitioner and I'm very interested in the deeper insights offered by authentic dharma practice, but I tend to feel skeptical of the "Buddhist teacher" tendency to dismiss McMindfulness so easily.

In my experience and understanding, concentration and insight are hard to really separate, especially especially at the early levels of practice. It's hard for me to imagine an untrained person learning casual mindfulness or even deep concentration practice without having many transformative, important, helpful insights along the way, even if they're as superficial as "It's actually possible for me to sit down without something to do for five minutes," and certainly deeper insights than that are very possible even without a super integrated pedagogical framework targeting insight.

But I'm not a teacher, and I haven't engaged all that much in McMindfulness spaces, so I don't really know.

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Laurence Gozalo's avatar

@jay: I am wondering if your point in 3. "the relaxation comes from concentration, not mindfulness" really applies to most people who start meditating looking for relief of some sort.

From what I have observed, it may be true for mature(-ish) successful people. However for people still under the influence of some trauma, especially if unaware of it, because of the high risk of psychological bypass, starting with concentration usually makes things worse.

For these people, mindfulness is the point of entry, and DOES bring relief, incredible relief actually. Combined with adequate therapy support, the trauma(s) may be finally faced at some point, and once processed, the mind can finally access concentration. And thus spiritual goodies (yay!).

Many thanks for the fabulously insightful article (as always) about the Jhanas and the Jhourney app!!

Laurence (not he/him)

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